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José Ugaz has spent much of his adult life fighting corruption–first in his home country of Peru, where his investigations as a state attorney caused the collapse of the Fujimori regime, and then globally as the president of anti—corruption civil society organization Transparency International. Hromadske’s Nataliya Gumenyuk spoke to Mr. Ugaz in advance of the December 9 International Anti—Corruption Day, about what his experience has been in fighting corruption, the lessons he’s learned, and what steps societies need to take in order to truly defeat corruption.